Anon(1): By your definition, no one would ever be free... Anon(2): So glad you know so much about that which is beyond human comprehension... J: You are such a warm and caring individual (not!)

I'm glad that even those politians that I don't agree with seem to be more motivated by what they feel is right than the evil that most on this forum attribute to them...

While the basic quote rings true, it is not a justification for slavery or denying any human being the basic quality of life such as food, housing and health care. As it appears to be aimed at just such misuse, it gets a thumbs down.

This is perhaps the biggest thing wrong with America... that we seem to worship inefficiency...

When you must choose between eating, being warm/dry and the health of your family, this is no choice, it is a form of slavery.

Equality is the watch words of our nation's very creation. Basic compassion for our fellow humans has been taught as a religious value for many thousands of years now. Neither takes away the ability of those with added drive from improving their lot. Neither diminish us. And neither are the defining qualities of either communism or socialism. Fear more of fascism, hatred and corporate socialism than equality and compassion which provides for the basic human needs of every human being.

Fear comes from and moves us into the reptilian old brain, thus the reason that those who want to live in the past by the rules of the past are so attracted to and make such use of fear in selling their arguments.

But we can (and should) legislate moral and intelligent behavior, as defined by the society in question.

Fox News: Fair & Balanced... Adolf would have been proud!

So glad to see that so many of our rightists & libertarians now see and agree that universal health care is equivalant for the individual to liberty!

Or one can make a choice once to just "go with the flow and not choose", which is itself a form of personal liberty which does not involve perpetual choice making...

As long as it is a free choice by the person it is not slavery.

Libertarians are indeed selfish, for they would see the unfortunate in the world mistreated rather than admit that society has a duty to meet the basic human rights and needs of every person in the world, and that this is funded by the fortunate in the world, who gain their wealth by the support of society... so, libertarians want to take for themselves and snub everyone else... and can't even read basic quotes such as this one with open eyes to see how self centered they are.

Great quote, too bad so many really don't get it... RBESRQ has it right, cal doesn't seem to understand that the problems with the health care bill as it sits now was too many attempts to make it acceptable to the "just say no" right. It would indeed be a much better bill if it had simply made Medicare available for ALL citizens.

good quote, but oh my, the crazies are certainly out today...

Thankfully Obama, Reed & Pelosi are working hard to remove the chains that King George W & his jesters shackled us all with!

How common, blame your own human weakness upon supernatural entities...

LOL, I'm sure that the "robber barons" thought that it was a great place then too...

The truly free does do what he ought, for otherwise he is driven by forces that are leading him down the wrong path...

... because no author has ever achieved fame... J shows his total lack of an analytic mind

both Mike and J prove that they are asses

J proves he is an ass

Luckily there are still a few news outlets that understand this and that separate their editorial commentary from their news reporting role. Sadly, too many "news" organizations have lost touch with this and are highly biased multi-media monopolies run by world wide "anything for a profit" robber barons. Pathetically, too few understand the difference and buy these "news" sources as "fair" and "balanced".

... and so many in this day and age fail this test... though some might say that the true measure is how you treat someone when helping them out costs you something... and is either case doing you "no good", or do you come away with that warm feeling of having helped, which is indeed doing yourself good.

oh dear, now Mike seems to be arguing for use of force against our judicial branch... perhaps he just joins the rest of Americans in thinking that SCOTUS went too far with turning our elections over to corporations and foreign influences... but this hardly seems like justification for pulling out our glocks and eliminating them (which is the implication of his postings)... little wonder that we are where we are in America today!