It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Utah.  From a legal standpoint, if gold or silver is used to purchase something for 20 silver dollars (ounces) or more, the purchase becomes an actual purchase according to the common law.  When we use Federal Reserve 'Notes' we are merely transferring the equitable interest from one person to the other — the article is still 'owned' by the Federal Reserve.  Read the fine print on today's printed currency — using this currency does NOT actually discharge any debt.  But gold and silver money does.  Technically, if you purchased your property with lawful money, it is not taxable — because you own it, not the issuers of the notes.

It is indeed a shame that the corruptions of the Catholic Church have caused so many to throw the baby out with the bath water.  Are Jesus' words any less true because of wickedness in high places? 

Once again, the socialists attempt to appropriate what they never created and what is not theirs.  Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Statists, whether religious or atheistic, seek power — they claim authority over others, declaring any view other than their own to be inferior.  Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile — they are 'liberal' no more. 

"The devil cites scripture for his own purposes..."

The quote is about helping ourselves to the property of others.  Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a corruption of the Golden Rule.  Twisting the Biblical verse "Am I my brother's keeper?" to defend plunder is a classic tactic used by atheists to supposedly confront the faithful's hypocrisy, all the while their own hypocrisy knows no bounds in their 'legalized' theft of the fruits of the labors of the freeman.

Fred's response is typical of those promoting socialism / communism by saying "there are no communist countries" and that those I refer to as communist (as well as the communists themselves) "force their sick agenda ... interfer[ing] with the rights and privileges of another" just goes to show his denial of the actual practice of these totalitarian ideologies. 

Fred's utopian view of communism is in fact a distorted appropriation of classic liberalism.  By admitting that today's communism is a bastardization of it's professed ideals, he demonstrates the false promises of statist rule which lays claim to everyone and everything instead of protecting the natural-born rights (not granted by any government or authority) of the people — their lives, liberty, and sovereignty. 

If only Fred could realize that individual liberty best promotes his compassion, how much more empowered he would be.  His hopes for humankind are valid, however, his proposed method of achieving them is woefully flawed.

It is not the citizen's responsibility to feed or house his neighbor, so neither can it be the representative government's responsibility either.  Charity and compassion must be voluntary, and dare I say essential for a 'civilized' people.  Most social ills are caused by government overstepping its authority — like printing money until it becomes nearly worthless, which is the primary cause of poverty in the world.  Every animal in nature must provide for itself or else perish.  Man cannot avoid the laws of nature.

The claim that 'we' are the government is inaccurate.  The people chartered a government with strictly limited powers represented by elected officials with strictly limited duties — certainly the representatives have no more powers than those of the citizens that elected them.  Individually, we are self-governing, that is to say, I am responsible for myself, have rights that the government did not grant and cannot take away, and the government may not dictate what I must do.  The government itself is made up of a minute subset of the people.  

What all the people in common have are our rights to life, liberty, and equal protection of the common law.  Anything else is usurpation.

The IRS is the collection agency for the private Federal Reserve.  America's gold was seized and exchanged for interest-bearing notes with the condition that income taxes would be required to guarantee interest payments on the notes (that they issue out of thin air).  Since then, the 'dollar' has lost over 99% of its purchasing power, and the people have been enslaved to an unpayable debt forever — the national 'debt' is in fact ALL the money in circulation and more!  Certainly the greatest crime in America's history.

Over the years it became apparent that Waffler was indeed an IRS employee...

Of course all those things have been tried — see the former USSR and Soviet states, China, North Korea and every failed nation-state that embraced national ownership and control of everything.  It has never worked and never will.  Sheesh, your ignorance knows no bounds...

We've certainly "come along way, baby."

I don't recall ever saying f-you to you, Fred.  I have however called you narcissistic, delusional, and mentally disordered.  "Mature" is not a word I would use to describe you...

Pure BS!  Every communist country (and yes they are actually REAL communists — the leaders say they are and so do the people) requires a dictator.  Name ONE communist country that is not totalitarian, Fred.

Once again, defenders of communism / socialism say 'true' communism / socialism has never been tried.  That's the thing, though, communist revolutions never deliver on their empty promises — THAT'S COMMUNISM!  Once a people give up their rights, rarely if ever do they get them back...

Never in the history of communism has ANY of those things been achieved.  Your delusions are on full display.

Sheesh! Government is just another human relationship, loving, caring, courtesy, and courage?  What planet are you living on?!

Let all ideas compete in the marketplace of ideas.  Personally I find your ideas neither prosperous nor reasonable.  I find them abhorrent, and history demonstrates their utter failure to fulfill their empty promises.

And that requires taxing people's labors?  You cannot raise a man up by tearing another man down.

Fred, your mental acuity is obviously disordered.  It is plain to see.

Perhaps you might take your own advice...

Blecch!

That would be capitalism.

Imperialism and colonialism are NOT capitalism.

Talk about babbling nonsense ...

Communism doesn't work without a dictator, only one political party, prison camps, and firing squads.

Good grief, Fred.  Hundreds of millions were rubbed out by their own communist governments, the rest enslaved by the Party.  This is what it means to be human? (!!)