I don't think Bush's "faith based" initiatives have anything to do with principled Christianity - as stated in another post, just because one claims to be a Christian doesn't make them so (I eat and love meat - I'm not a vegetarian, even if I called myself one.) This brings up the old question: How many legs does a dog have if you called its tail a leg? The answer is 4 - it doesn't matter what you call the tail, it's still not a leg. Bush's initiative calls for forced compulsion and compelled virtue in order to create equality and peace to our society. Forced virtue, regardless of what religious thought it comes from, will end in tyranny and the slavery of society. Bush is not a Christian nor do his methods have anything to do with Christianity - merely a wolf in sheep's clothing - you can't bring about or protect freedom and liberty of a people by controling them... duh!

Hitler WAS a professed Christian and he used this to manipulate the society he lived into doing horrible things in the name of God. This bothers me because I have wondered just how an entire country of Germans could be manipulated into believing and supporting such attrocities. Hitler, through history, has been blamed for burning the Reichstag and blaming the Russians as a method to start the war - He played "the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing" tactics with the people. Whenever anything questionable came against him that would expose him - he simply called for the loyalty of his country, condemned the foreign foe for attacking his country (the Riechstag), and promoted his propaganda as God's will. George Washington stated that the two pillars of any government are religion and morality and if they must be joined together - if only one of these are taken away, government will fall - you can't have religion without morality. Hitler wasn't a Christian anymore than I'm a vegatarian (I can claim Vegetarianism all day long but I still love to eat meat and do so regularly; therefore, I'm not a REAL Vegetarian now, am I?) and it doesn't matter what he called himself, he didn't stand upon both Religion AND Morality... Nor, do I believe, did his people - for this reason, it was easy for him to manipulate the citizens of Germany because in their lives they had divorced these two pillars from each other. The scary thing, based upon this premise, things in America aren't looking so good.

Hence the need for Religion and Morality in government. Not the establishment of a national religion nor the forced coercion of morality - but the two pillars of government that exist in the heart of a man that keep him from usurping the Liberty of another.

A lot has been written concerning the "Law of Liberty". Books and writings going back hundreds of years. And, as things tend to chance through time, so did the definition of the Law of Liberty. The Ancient Law of Liberty has also been called the "Perfect Law of Liberty" or "The Ancient Law"... The term "Ancient Law of Liberty" has been used to define the old understanding of the Law of Liberty. Just in case anyone was confused. I googled "Ancient Law of Liberty" myself and didn't find anything about the Mormons - I wouldn't know if the Mormons use this term or not.

This is an interesting quote, especially from Jefferson. It’s too bad that no one here understands the Ancient Law of Liberty – the actuality of Christianity – that states that man must be free, completely free, to make his choices, right or wrong, without the coercion of a “higher power” (church OR government). After Christ died, due to Constantine and also the Greek schools of thought, the church became political and disavowed the Ancient Law of Liberty. The church disavowed man’s agency by joining itself with a secular government saying, “Well, God wants men to be good – well then we’ll FORCE them to be good – it’s all for the betterment of society” – in this they said that man is not morally fit to govern himself and that he needs to be forced and compelled into virtue. Here is the problem that everyone sees with “Christianity” – the Crusades (forced Christianity on the Muslims), Spanish Inquisitions, witch burning, and the like. That is why the founding fathers were adamant and included that Congress shall have no power to establish a particular denomination of any religion (the definition of “religion” has been changed within the last 50 years) – they saw the ACTUAL problem and made an Amendment to protect the people from it. However, every founding father stated that Christian principles were to be the foundation of our law and morality for government leaders, due, in fact, to the Ancient Law of Liberty – TRUE Christianity. Not ONE founding father disavowed this – not even Jefferson. This is why, when the delegates went back to their respective States and wrote up their State Constitutions that more than half of these Constitutions would specifically only elect “Christians” to office and the other States gave, in general terms, that delegates to office had to swear allegiance to God. My home state of Tennessee has it on her Constitution that all elected officials be Christian. Christianity, or religion, in history (Rome, Greece, etc. – the classic examples of this subject), has NOT taken down any government - not until a specific government sponsored denomination has been introduced into that government has there ever been a problem. This is because once a particular denomination enters that power, they secularize that power and disavow the Ancient Law of Liberty. Now that we, as a nation and governing politic, have disavowed all morality and religious principle from our own government – we are now starting to see the repeat of history – the collapse of the Ancient Law of Liberty and the establishment of forced servitude on the grounds of some kind of perceived safety. Get your facts straight – Learn your history – don't regurgitate something you heard out of a text book! Sorry Liberty Quotes for the long post.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Socialism - and to the Communism for which it brings - one nation, of common slaves, bound together, with shackles and fetters for all.

Until the Patriot Act 1 and 2 and the Intelligence Act came to be... then the illegal and unconstitutional happened in one destructive blow.

We all accuse Bush of being an idiot; however, for him to pull off everything he has with the support he has and in the amount of time that he has - sounds quite brilliant to me... To be said, it's easy to blame the President, but in reality he can't do everything himself; the elected men in Congress have done as much if not more harm than Bush (and what of the Courts?). The battle is not between conservatives vs liberals or Republicans vs Democrats - it's never been about that. Communist Democrats and Fascist Rebulicans are more kin than foe. Freedom and Liberty don't look with their dying eyes and see party politics, they see an ignorant American populace holding the fatal knife.

Rather prophetic quote, I think. Heil, Bush!

Heil, Bush!

Like 9-11, perhaps? Very interesting the science coming out about it... Only time will tell...

Well said

Go To Hell!

And so it continues - HEIL BUSH!!

The most dangerous thing in the world: to be right when the government is wrong.

Coercion is the symbol of every tyrannical and despotic government. This is why the founding fathers hated democracy and established a Republic! How can anyone not question the coercion of the redistribution of wealth in America? Licensing? Certain taxation? It's no wonder that John Adams said that the Constitution was made for a "religious and moral people" and is "wholly inadequate" without them. Immorality is the cause of coercion - Whether on the side of the so-called "cure" or on the side of the problem -The immorality of this nation is destroying it.

There's no such thing as a money tree either... perhaps someone should tell that to the President who has spent more money than any other President in the history of the nation after Reagan.

Said one of the greatest socialist presidents the United States has ever known... The slippery slope is easily detected. Good quote.

All Hail the Federal Reserve!

I agree completley with this statement. Notice that he didn't say that the LOVE of money is a sign of liberty. The right to obtain wealth, without infringing upon the rights of another, through whatever means, is a Republic right! The government owes no man a living - but it does owe man the protection and ability of making a living free from usurpation and coercion. The minute government infringes upon the ability of the individual sovereign in providing wealth for himself, through whatever means, so long as he does not infringe upon the same right as another, liberty has been lost. Whether this be through welfare, income tax, licensing, or any other cause. When government seeks to control the sovereign man's income and control when and where he can spend it - liberty has been lost.

America must have had a bypass...

You can't deprived of the rights of an individual, or unalienable rights, unless you live in a democracy... Thank Heaven we don't live in a Democ.... oh wait! WE DO LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY!!! Too bad we don't have our Republic anymore.

Social responsibility? There is no social responsibility in a Republic but to one's own self. The only time an individual in a member of a greater whole is in either pure socialism and communism or in a type of democractic socialism. We're not in a democracy - don't let the media fool anyone into thinking that a democracy is the only form of government that allows "voting" or for "the voice of the people to be heard". How can anyone not believe in legalized plunder? How can anyone not see how the government steals from one man and gives to another? Is this justice? Is this right? Do I as a person have a right to steal from a rich man and give to a poor man? If I don't, then in a Republic, I don't have the ability of delegating something I don't have to a government for them to do it for me - it's against the Rule of Law in America! People, learn your history!!

Well, we can clearly see that socialists also read the liberty quotes. John Adams is absolutely correct - Countries where Socialism and Communism have been allowed follow the quick road of anarchy and tyranny - You take away from man the basic right of keeping what he has worked himself for, his property, his dignity, his honor - in time, such a man will revolt - even at the expense of his own life.

Amen, and Amen.