M. Brown and F.M. Sweeney. Just a suggestion. Turn your sadness and depression to controlled anger at the heartlesssness and lack of compassion these people really have despite their guise as sheep and do something about it. If one truly cares, happiness comes from doing the right thing despite the odds. Don't forget, David did the right thing and took out Goliath successfully. Like I said, only a suggestion based solely on your posts as I don't claim to know either of you personally and don't pretend to imply either of you do nothing. I do get concerned when I see people who see the big picture as the two of you seem to and defeatest words are used. It makes me think these people think the war is over and it's sad or depressing and we lost. Again, sorry if none of this applys to you but I do see it often enough to think it's important to keep defeatest attitudes to a minimun. They are actually morale breakers and dampen all around enthusiasm. They hurt, not help. That's why I must say something about it especially when it seems to be goodhearted people making the statement and then stray off with helplessness and confusion their guides, Nice having contact with you.

Jim, to describe evil as necessary is to admit what history proves, we, mankind in general, do not learn from our mistakes. The criminal doesn't care to learn what's good or evil because the wants of his selfish nature are all that matter to him and the unselfish nature of good people tend to forgive and forget the wrongs done against them. Evil, or infringements, errors, mistakes etc against the natural rights of man are the means we are supposed to use to learn not only the difference between right and wrong, but also to learn to DO right whether our personal sefishness might urge a different action or not. This is where man goes astray and the needs and wants of the material world lead to more selfishness to greed and at the least the general acceptance of infringements on rights as proper and to the extreme the idea that enforcible law violations (serious infringements) are proper. The second is caused by the first and errors and mistakes (evils) abound throughout society. Just when past societies reach a point of ridding evil from their midst and keep it at bay, the apathy that new found wealth in the material leads to and the general sense of forgive and forget causes the people to forget the lessons learned from the past and by so doing open the door for ever chomping at the bit evil to get the upper hand once again. Does this make evil necessary as it is impossible for man to govern himself and he must be kept in line by government? No, our forefathers proved it can be done, but, the lesson we've failed to learn over and over again is not to ever be too forgiving of, and never ever forget about, evil and its destructive power on mankind and its ever present nature to do harm to anyone and everyone, anytime and any place. This is a truth man needs to learn....again. I find it hard to believe that evil is necessary if lessons are learned and if necessary, only to remind us of our personal errors that allow evil to thrive. One of our forefathers said that the Constitution should be the one document every citizen should carry in his pocket and know why it was important to/for him to do so, or something to that effect. I believe self government is not a necessary evil but a necessary good that man just has to learn how to operate properly. It's important to remember our administrative form of government was NOT to govern us but to administer the logistics of protecting our natural right to govern ourselves in respect of anothers right to do the same. We have difinitely strayed a long way from there.

And they do own it today through international financial transactions selling our country to foreign powers and the lock on our economy with debt money and perpetual debt.

Yep, smaller government.

It's not the government that has the tendency, it's men that control government that abuse its powers by the evil within them.

I hear that.

Being rich is not the problem if done with good honest hard work, It is the greed for more where the problem is and this is what leads to man's temptation to steal it by laws they create and call them legal. The love of money is the root of all evil and when that love is satisfied power is the next lustful satisfaction they seek.

True, and the tyrants are pushing their injustice pretty damn hard today aren't they?

Very well said Mike. Waffler, where did you get the figures for for the 300 billion claim. Is there a site somewhere that tracks those that don't pay their taxes properly? Who are they and are any of them in prison yet? Such criminals should be locked away, yes? If not, I'm sure the IRS would hire such as yourself to teach people like that to pay their taxes properly so we can layoff the IRS. You sure bring out the patriotism in me Waffler. I think I'll give the IRS more money so we can lay them off faster.

And how would you propose we pay it off?

Do you really believe the debt payment enforcement arm of the international loan sharks would be laid off? LMAO. Hayek mentioned the threat to liberty by these people. The reason they are needed is because the banking elite have finally trapped us in the pepetual debt to them syndrome. In order for people to get something to spend on their loaf of bread the government and people must borrow it to get something to spend into circulation. Utter dependence on a government that gives lip service to the rights and freedom of individuals in America. LMAO.

Yes, racial harmony is now flourishing in America. I'm sure Obama will, by his inspiration, continue this beautiful vision you portray as it was all for the better of free society and racial harmony is the greatest evidence of that in America today. Go tell that to the brainwashed minorities. Show them where they are better off. Prove it to them because they're the ones who need to know it.

Lincolns' decision to abrogate States rights by not allowing a sucession may have kept the union together by force, but he was the first President to unconstitutionally undermine the spirit of voluntary agreement to abide by the Constitution and marked the end of free and independant States. This is regardless of how one feels about the atrocities of slavery. But since they enter in at some point anyway, How does it feel to be a slave to perpetual debt?

Just like deer frozen in the headlights of an oncoming 2 ton auto.

Is this America he's describing here? With just a bit of editing it would be. The foresight is amazing. Foresight nor hindsight exists in our administration today. It's all the here and now. They want it here and they want it now. World government I mean.

Thanks Mike and Archer. Now I sense the arrogance behind the statement.

What are morals but made up criteria for "acceptable" interaction. Think, who defined what was acceptable? What gave them the right to decide your mind for you?

Those that ridicule the truth knowingly, do it because they are afraid to admit the truth, the same is true for those who see it and choose to look away and hope for the best. The saddest and most dangerous ones are the ones who don't see it, and yet ridicule. In total ignorance of natural law cause and effect they continue to kill themselves and us first thus society next. Ignorance is our downfall. That's what we, all Americans, get for trying to fool mother nature as regards the laws of nature. We don't live by them politically so the inevitible course of natures' exaction of punishment, or unbiased judgement, we pay for it. The further we get away from and the less we use these self evident truths in our political system the more harm we do to ourselves and the further society drifts from the truth of nature and the closer we get to disruptions in or lives. Disruptions can be civil unrest and of course chaos depending on the particular circumstances of the nation at a particular time. We, America, have just begun to pay for trying to fool mother nature for too long.

I'm not sure what he means by "no alternative." Anybody help me out?

Obviously that motion failed. It IS the right thing to do but modern man just doesn't want to do the right thing anymore. They are convinced what they ARE doing IS the right thing to do. The result, the "civilized" (LoL) society they asked for. Nice, isn't it?

Anonymous, Reston. The first part of your statement is straight out of the mouth of Karl Marx. The equivalent of the money changers today are the Elite bankers who you owe your life to. They have stolen your life with the chains of perpetual debt and may they rest lightly. Bastiat is "the" man.

Notice how "trapped" everyone is in the system. Is there a way out? Not yet. I give it 3 stars for pointing out the trap, but I don't agree with the conclusion that we're done for. I believe that if the system collapsed tomorrow the sooner we would be back to natural free association again helping each other to survive and provide for mankind before tyrannical government decided to take over from us.

... benefit of my life, and by doing so, help to show others how they are committing suicide by diving into or being pulled into a one world government based on perpetual debt which history proves without a doubt does not work because it does not respect natural laws of economy and is just a tool of men to control the destiny of the world instead of letting nature take its course to determine destiny. The nature of every individual to be free, limited only by harm to another by laws of punishment under the principles that respect the rights of 'every' one, protecting the common freedom shared by all, and recognizing when we or 'others' don't do that and punish us/them for it, is the way to go and make one's 'life' by nature meant to be, free again. Enough, one can say much more as time still allows, but I feel I've caused you enough boredom with my fairy tales would not want you to suffer more. Condemn my fear-mongering as I do too, as I willfully admit the error of my ways. I have many passions, but what is passion but a zest for life as it should be -- free. To be honest, Waffler, I think you may have prematurely offered your thanks because all I meant by my words was it is a fact that you are 'consistent' and by 'giving you that' was the measure of respect I have, not for your right to life and to be who you are, but for the position you take I know is not good for me or anyone else including you. My respect for your right to life is a given - I accept within the limitations of just laws of punishment for violating mine. Since we are both in the same boat, and you are happy about it and I am not and that is our difference, I say it makes no difference if we agree on anything or not since it will change nothing. But I will never stop trying in that it is one of my passions to reach agreement with men of their passion as that is the birth of peace on earth. If it can't be found well... sit back and enjoy history of a new magnitude never before seen on earth that you and others asked for. I, like you, are just along for the ride, but I know there is a silver lining to every cloud, and I am ready to weather the storm as capably able as I can be. The rest of destiny is in the hands of men for now, but, like all creations of men, they cannot stand the test of time.

Waffler, do you value your life and your right to it? I value mine. What value do you place on yours? Mine is priceless. I think yours is too. The difference between us is that you accept the economical, what I call slavery and you don't, system of perpetual debt. With your freely given consent you say 'yes' to the system. You are free to do so. Will you tell me that I am not as free as you to say 'no,' as you are to say 'yes,' and therefore not free to live my life the way I want, so as to do what I THINK is best for me, the same as you do to live your life the way you want, based upon what you THINK is best for you? If you were to say 'no,' would you say you have the right to say it and then, the right to freely act upon your choice, so long as you don't infringe on another's right to say 'yes' and act upon their choice? You see, I am just as trapped as you are in a world society with a world economic system, and both of us have the right to say 'yes' and act, but neither of us have the right to say 'no' and act. We do have rights' but they are no longer protected by the Constitution as well as they once were as the truth of the above is what it is, the truth. It can't be changed in time to save our Constitution and Country as we once knew it. The value of life meant everything then' and everything else was secondary and valued less than the cost of a life, IF, the majority of individuals continued to value life as priceless. It, as HISTORY proves, is inevitable that a bigger collapse will come eventually, naturally, or by the works of men. The only way out, to say 'no' and act or exercise our freedom of choice, is no longer available to us so one must, as infallible facts of history prove, be prepared to ride out the coming storm, so to speak. Call it fear-mongering if you choose, but that is exactly what our rulers are doing to get the reaffirmation of their power passed, and, yes, I admit I am doing the same. But at the least I am pointing out the truth of WHAT we really should be afraid of rather than the falsities our government points out and says THEY are what we really should be afraid of. I despise fear-mongering and consider it immoral, but if I have to sin because I am forced to sin, I choose to sin for the...

God save America because the people through their government can't get it done with all the roadblocks put up to assist in aid of escaping accountability to anyone. the people. The fed has no accountability to the government and the government has no accountability to the people. The people feel no accountibility to any one but themselves so what we have is a partially controlled anarchy and the controllers are the plutocracy and it is a distinct possibility that it could all fall apart in their "hands" resulting in total anarchy. If this happens then will be the time to..ahem...restore order.