Waffler is consistent I'll give him that. Archer said; "Our liberty is only compromised by the promises we make -- i.e. we are bound to keep our word or face the consequences as per our agreements. Our lack of honor is the only real enemy," This is also true as relates to the intent of our Constitution. Put this way the only real crime one can commit is to violate the rights of another. To stay out of jail meant don't violate the rights of another and individuals were taken in good faith that they would not. Common, moral trust in men of honor, who WERE moral, required only the laws punishable for violating rights and this is what made for the most freedom with the minimum restrictions on that freedom i.e. the laws punishing for the violation of anothers' rights. The gold/silver coin or the promissory notes promising to convert back into gold/silver coin kept the money and therefore men honest in their free enterprise economic system. One of our forefathers said the Constitution was for a moral religious people and the truth of those words is profound. I remember that no one (for the most part) locked their doors and in some places food was left on one's table for the weary traveler. It's plain to see how far we've traveled in the other direction from common trust to common distrust in our society. It is also very true that the nature of government reflects the nature of the people in control of it. The blame for this sad state of affairs is foremost with the individual him/herself for accepting the loss of rights in favor of a cut of the pie government and banking have appropriated from us to begin with. Since they took what we had man, now, because of the debt, future labor is owed, leading us into a perpetual debt machine that can only save itself by continuing the process which is why our government must borrow, just as we must, to fuel it, to keep it alive. By simple math one can see the debt has to grow and can never be paid off hence the fear mongering of present day government to sign the bailouts. Why the hesitation? Because we are trapped in new terrain where it's just possible the debt is getting too big too fast to keep control of and whether it was planned or by mistake, it does clearly expose the fact that from now on we will always have to go to the bankers of the world to get our wealth; paper, plastic and digital money, which, represents what we are allowed to keep to keep us happy and by being careful not to collect interest too fast or the peoples wealth that disappears would attract notice to what is going on. Well it has. If the bailouts pass everyone in government knows they/we, ARE accepting once again, if not forever, and by consent, the absolute control of our lives for the foreseeable future. Never in the history of mankind have so few men had so much power in the world. A lesson history teaches, if we have eyes that see, is that we are witnessing a historical time unique to ANY other time in history and it is fact that either we choose with consent to agree with the central world power of elitists and their power to rule or to refuse to consent. Common sense truth points out the best answer to remain free would be to deny it the power to carry on and move our debt into the universal one world debt pool. Not in name of course, that would be too obvious, but in essence and unfortunately for us, in reality. Mr. Obama certainly said it right when he said if we don't pass the bailout bill our economy would collapse. In my opinion the sooner it collapses the sooner man might begin the long journey back to freedom. Sorry this was so long but so much knowledge has been lost and truths covered up it needs to be said. Thanks for the use of your property... your thoughts.

That is an understatement. In some cases they do much more than denounce.

Confusion caused by deception is the method used in many (if not all) aspects of the life of the sheep. The effects of so much deception makes it almost impossible to reach the free thinking mind buried underneath the false beliefs instilled by the shearer. I believe the best way to get through is exposure of the debt money economic system. Once understood, other deceptions begin to fall away like dead leaves on a live tree. The truth is the refreshing breeze that blows the dead leaves away.

E Archer. when you said "the US govt is a bankrupt entity still operating at the leisure of its creditor," and "The purpose of monetary policy is to make as comfortable as possible the bleeding away of the purchasing power", you provided me a clear understanding I've been lacking in debates elsewhere. The entire post is a gift from heaven and I wonder if I might, after any name deletions and very slight editorial deletion (such as the last line), have your permission to use your post in future when the subject comes up? It truly is brilliant!

Money as a medium of exchange under constitutional law is supposed to represent the value of a mans' life in labor expended. When one pays another for the fruits of the others' labor with something of real value, (rarity makes gold/silver valuable), the value of both mens lives converted through labor into a needed item is not lost in the transaction. The devaluation of the money devalues the life of the laborer and when the money becomes bills of credit the individuals' labor becomes the debt owed and the wealth of future labor the interest due. Hence the borrower is the servant (slave) of the lender.

Amen.

Thanks Archer, I wasn't aware of that.

Good points jim k. "We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism." Nikita Krushchev

Ben, you are right, it was a "contract" with the FRB to "manage" our economy where all this started. The rest is history. Article 1 section 10 was to keep fiat (unbacked by gold and silver coin) paper money out of the system. Amazing how many are ignorant of this fact. I believe the Treasury Department still physically creates the fiat money we use today.

Next time you fill out your State tax form write Art. 1 Sect. 10 on it and write underneath that you have no gold or silver coin to pay the debt.

Then why do we have it? It's because, just like other Constitutional violations, of the silent consent of the majority who do nothing to stop it and in fact don't care one way or the other as long as they get their cut of the socialistic pie. Free lunch is the bait and greed sets the hook.

I agree with Mike. We are now living in the time of the greatest act of plunder ever conceived by man. How much more they can steal without killing the goose that laid the golden egg remains to be seen .

Now we should be thinking about being overwhelmed by irredeemable plastic in the form of laser cards.

An eyeblink being the time it takes to push the "enter" key, which opens up a whole new line of thought. If they can "lose" 2 trillion in 2001, it's certainly possible one might go to withdraw from his account and oops, somehow his money got lost!

Agree with all of the above. Especially Bryan. As long as there is hope there are those out there that won't be fooled again, there is hope for Americ(k)a.

Agree, but he falls short in not mentioning the creations of life on earth or, in other words, the production from labor. Nonetheless it is a true statement.

Good joke. That's the Irish for you. Quick witted and always up for a good laugh. 5 stars for the laugh I got out of it.

warren, It has crossed my mind a few times that the total humiliation of the Republican Party in the last eight years was a direct attempt to, as you said, "entrench" the socialist philosphy further into the minds of their followers and to get moderate republicans into the fold with the goal in mind of perpetual Democracy. I also think it will have to depend on how Obama performs and how good he looks after his actions. If my theory has any legs to it Obama will be made to look the greatest president since JFK.

Well said Archer!

Imanontoo, I have a twenty five year old copy of 'The Law'. I will correct my statement above to the "IMMORAL code that glorifies..." To put Bastiats truths into different terms it is like this. "Politicians never accuse you of 'greed' for wanting other people's money -- only for wanting to keep your own money." -- Joseph Sobran In toto, legalized plunder based on greed.

The moral code that glorifies the legal system of plunder has seeped into the people of the nation and it's called greed.

So it follows that debt slavery IS the result of war. A cold war but a war nonetheless.

The people have the power to call for Grand Juries without any authority from government to do so. But because these juries and trial juries have become ignorant of their true duties they have become rubber stamps for the judicial system. Government has the power in America because people have lost it to them out of ignorance. Ignorance is Americas' greatest enemy.

LOL, Try to get that passed into law today.

I think he's refering to the seperation of organized religion and State here. Seems to fit in there anyway. In that case, the moral use of money would be a fine topic of discussion at this point.